UPDATE: Fr. says I had it right:
Actually, you are correct. If you murder your spouse, you are not free to marry. You are impeded due to the fact crime and public propriety come into play in this situation. It does not matter if you murder your spouse or another person’s spouse.
That was us last night in 5th grade. Because we were learning about Marriage.
–> And it appears I misquoted canon law, just a little. Request for help at the bottom.
It was all going so nicely. Marriage as one of the sacraments of service. Husband and wife, till death do us part, open to children = new eternal souls, responsibility to educate those children, teach them right and wrong, introduce them to the church, teach them their faith . . . we were on it.
Naturally divorce came up, as it ALWAYS does, I don’t care how many times I don’t mention it even once. But hey, no problem. Quick explanation of nullity on the one part and separation of bed and board on the other, these kids were sharp. No worries. Off we launch into Holy Orders, when I my new favorite student raises her hand, and whispers, “I have one more question about marriage.”
Sure, no problem, go ahead sweetie.
“What if you murder your spouse because you don’t want to be married anymore. Can you get married again after that?”
I should have just whispered “No,” and gotten back to bishops. But I am not so smart. I let the whole class in our little conversation. Boys start howling, thrusting invisible knives at each other, thinking up little kitchen ‘accidents’ . . .
And hence the chant. Repeat after me: “Murder is Never the Solution”. Replace one boisterous activity with another. It’s loud (I wonder if anyone is listening in the hall), but it’s focused. Class back on track. Quick let’s find those bishops again before someone starts the “Is it a mortal sin?” scenarios.
So that was our class last night. [Great talk on Holy Orders. Only excitement was another new question: “What if you don’t like your Deacon?” We all agreed: Suck it up, get along. Disclaimer: Our parish has awesome clergy. It was a hypothetical question. Nice talk about how every single sermon might not be written especially for you personally, some weeks it’s your turn to sit quietly and pray. And if you were up there preaching, not everyone would be so excited about you either. Get over yourself. The kids *totally* get this. Love it.]
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Anyhow, speaking of bishops, I’m not sure I sure I got my murder question quite right. Here is canon 1090, which seems to be the one I had imagined:
Can. 1090 §1. Anyone who with a view to entering marriage with a certain person has brought about the death of that person’s spouse or of one’s own spouse invalidly attempts this marriage.
§2. Those who have brought about the death of a spouse by mutual physical or moral cooperation also invalidly attempt a marriage together.
So this is all about murder in anticipation of a particular future marriage. Doesn’t say anything about murder just to generally open up your options again.
Someone help me here. Was I wrong? (I think so). Right enough? (For practical purposes, don’t think any little children were led wildly astray of the narrow road.)
Opine, opine. I’ll ask Father just to be sure.
“Have I mentioned my parish gets all the best priests? We get all the best priests”
Ehhh…you’re in Columbia, right?
Didn’t you see that article in the Miscellany about how Greenville gets all the best priests?
But besides that, what makes a Catholic learn the faith more than being a catechist?
Well, I had heard something about that. I was using “all” in a manner of speaking. There would be too many to put them all in one parish and not cause a commotion.
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And yes, wow, I learn all kinds of stuff this way.
–> I used to think I preferred teaching adults, but now I’m totally hooked on these middle-kids. How many grown-ups sit at the coffee hour genuinely wanting to know how the church handles murder scenarios? And ready to come 100% on board with the answer?
“I used to think I preferred teaching adults, but now I’m totally hooked on these middle-kids.”
Wow, just the same as me:
“…at one point there was a need for a 6th grade teacher, and I was made an offer I couldn’t refuse. I really was not interested in dealing with kids…what do they care about the Council of Nicaea?”
http://platytera.blogspot.com/2008/10/wednesday-sunday-school.html
“I’ve found them to be ready to learn, ready to think, ready to know more about God and Faith. They have an as-yet unjaded view of life, and a natural disposition to take God seriously. They grasp big ideas quickly, adjust to new information, and leap to conclusions in a single bound. Their brains are more nimble than an adult’s brain. They like to be respected as people, not just as children.”
Yes. Yes yes yes.
“And if you were up there preaching, not everyone would be so excited about you either.”
If everyone’s excited about the preacher, he may not be doing his job correctly.
Hehe. Too true.